Round 19: Eels vs Raiders | Discussion Thread
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That was a try in the last 6 seconds
Damn the parra hate is real
Positives from tonight? We got beaten up physically like in the dragons and manly matches but we rolled on and gave it to them instead of getting rolled over. Didn’t get the win, but we hung in there
I'm not a Parra fan but members of my family are but why are Parra the biggest winners in the comp - Gutha & Moses the standards whiners.
Look I’ll concede that Moses gets riled up and let’s it get the better of him but how is gutho whiny? As far as he went he called What he saw?
Well after the final whistle, as the rest were hugging & shaking hands Gutho was still whinging at the ref. Not a good look for the occasional viewer like me.
Also glad Fergo did that great run and try assist on his game back. Dude has great skills but needs to be more consistent.
GG Raiders, played so much better and like the team we know. No excuse, we just played shit. On to next week!
It was replayed a thousand fucking times……Rapanas knees didn’t touch Sivo. It was all hip so no arms needed. Sivo’s a fucking Hulk and Rapana used his body legally to bump him into touch. Not high, no knees, and no shoulder…..perfectly legit. The blood on Sivos head came from the face plant and nothing else.
I agree he didn’t lead with his knees just ended up in an awkward bump that looked like it might do more damage to Rapanas leg than to Sivo until Sivo head hit the ground. It was upper thigh that was the point of contact.
Rapana could have easily had his knee destroyed or femur snapped in half…….brave play IMHO.
I agree - and not sure what else could he have done to stop Sivo.
I’ve seen a bit of chat on here about the Brown offside, but are we fairdinkum? He looked at it about six times, clearly offside and inside the 10.
My only caveat - Have they changed the rule without saying anything ? Ie as long as you aren’t directly involved it’s playon. Seems counter intuitive to the black and white approach they try and take with most other rules (obstruction, etc).
Thought it was within 10 metres? But I do recall them letting something go very similar to this one after ruling they didn't affect the play.
Pressuring the catcher is affecting the play so I think it should have been a penalty.
You are right, I also feel like I can recall that this year too. I don’t like it to be honest, plenty of tries get disallowed when the obstructed player has zero chance of making the tackle, but you can understand why they don’t want to have to make that subjective call. Same should be applied to this, you could even argue brown offside actually distracts the Canberra catcher
Of course, he does - he is running into the catching area. As a defender, you have to be aware of him, and possibly cover his side of the contest. That may have left Sivo's side more exposed. Not really a Raiders fan, but I thought that was a really poor decision.
Neither am I, just struggling to grasp how you can get a black and white decision so incorrect after looking at it six times. It’s not a judgement call like perhaps the decision at the end of the game was where you could probably make an argument either way
Knees legs hip whateva it's a game where you tackle with your arms that was like watching Billy Slater tackle
My reasoning behind not giving the penalty at the end Because they missed the blatant brown offside so they had to even it up
Still have no idea how they missed that brown offside
The forward passes too.
Didn’t miss it, just ignored it because it was against the Raiders. Same as the blatant pass off the ground the ref watched from 2 metres away.
Wish all games were close like this , over seeing the blowouts
Crazy how much the low penalty / set restart count affects the game. I was a defender of the rules at first but after this game it’s obvious
Agreed was a great watch
Add 2021 to list of years we go out in straight sets
Manly and the Roosters are slowly chasing your 4th Place position
Idk if Roosters have the durability to catch up, they've got a lot of injuries and I can see them just missing out.
But I genuinely think Manly will crack into the top 4 at this rate
Imagine if this call went against Ricky he’d be blowing up hahahah
True, but which coach wouldn’t blow up?
Well the one before did so...
Raiders are better without Wighton.
Any footy team is better without wighton
NSW would have lost by 12 more points without him.
I'd argue they would have found many more ways to score without him killing opportunities and stifling creativity
If Sivo doesn’t turn and brace, he gets a knee straight to the head. No way that’s a legal tackle
He doesn't though, I mean you could say that about heaps of tackles that are near-miss lethal
It’s not on the attacking player to have to avoid serious injury due to reckless action from a defending player. It’s why the lifting tackle was removed from the game, you can’t reward a defending player being recklessly dangerous
Textbook bump from Jordan "Dusty" Rapana. Find a new slant.
Jake Arthur needs to not play for at least 2 more years
Freddy thinks Rapana's effort was "fantastic". I tend to agree. Rapana did everything legally possible to barge him into touch.
He did it at the 70 min mark too (but his body on the line for a tackle). Really liked that game. Both sides wanted it and were in the contest.
There is no consistency in this league at all
Late knees tackle last week in raiders vs sharks given but this is nothing
Offsides are a lottery
Forwards are a lottery
6 agains a lottery hahah
You don’t know what to expect from every game
There has never been consistency and there never will be.
It was the hip not the shoulder or the knee. It's fucking allowed
Contact was with Rapana’s thigh after the foot was planted, play on.
If it's player welfare a hip is just as dangerous than a shoulder charge if not more
He didn’t intentionally throw a hip at Sivo. We can’t penalise an incidental collision, may as well go watch a non contact sport
You absolutely can penalise an incidental contact. Why do you think we penalise high tackles? The players aren't purposefully clotheslining the opposition.
Penalising the incidental high contact - falling into tackles - it’s what’s causing all the drama these days
Uhh no it's ruck infringements and 6 agains
Well yes, but that’s a separate issue
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing op saying it was with the knees..
Bring back shoulder charge and treat it like high tackle
Man we’re the most hated fan base here now arent we
No, people just hate excellence.
Er… yeah. That.
People do hate excellence.
Why they’re lumping Parramatta in with that? Beats me.
Tough days when the dargs are more likeable than us
Can pls someone link me the vid of the raiders fan giving it to Brandy
Raiders easy mode never in doubt
Fuck every Eels fan rn. Should haven't been that close with the offside.
Don’t carry on like this mate.
Congrats on the win, well played by you lot. Disappointing that you feel the need to say fuck you to all Eels fans, but it is what it is.
Fair dice ladies and gents. I'll cop the downvotes for this one. Anything for a SINGLE victory 😂
I don't think there was anything wrong with Rapana's hit, Brown was offside for the last try anyway.
Just guttered out attack was pretty crap, didn't expect that amazing defensive effort from the Raiders
Waqa blakes and not being able to draw and pass/pass at all. There isn't a more iconic duo so don't bother trying to name one
Did this game show how big Moses is for you guys? Because I've never seen you run so many 1-up plays all season.
I always knew how big he is for us, he's hard done by alot of fans from different clubs but even more so our own fans.
But I think tonight was a great example on how much Moses does for our team
Anyone who isn't a tigers fan who slates Moses doesn't watch him enough imo. I've not seen that little second phase play from you guys in a long time!
Eels were only in that position cus the bunker doesn't know what an offside looks like so all's well that ends well
billy slater try saving body check special there, you love to see it.
Not nearly enough studs to be a slater special.
I can feel the bitterness of this comment coming through the screen and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
What kind of pussy doesn't lead with the boots
Billy “Boots First” Slater defending the player tackling with his legs
Fuck off idiot.
That's Billy "kick a cunt in the head" Slater to you.
Salty eels 💀
idk man sounds kinda salty to me
I’d say the video ref saw that the other try was botched so was just repaying the debt to raiders. NBA refs do it all the time with make up calls
100% think this was repaying the offside miss haha
Should have been given the penalty 2 at the end of first half instead of the pointless 6 again with 10 seconds left.
Two shockers from the bunker. Good game though, Moses please be back for this run to the finals or we will be battling to win half.
not sure why sivo didn’t reach out
Second parra try was fucked because Brown was offside but that Rapana effort was knees first
Yet his knees came into zero contact with any part of Sivos body…..
They probably had to not give it to make up for the blatant brown offside they missed
Didn’t make contact with his knees.
Hip made contact and nothing else so no way you can penalise it
His arm made contact as well and it was cocked. Shoulder charge all day. But shit offside cal the try before so evens out. But bunker is cooked
But your arms allowed to make contact aslong as its not the head. Bunker are about as useful as the touchies sometimes
Your arm isn’t allowed to make contact anywhere if no effort is made to wrap. It was a hip and shoulder charge haha. I mean I don’t care but if that happens in general play it’s a penalty.
What a truly great game that was Canberra can really hold their heads up high after that. Massive effort especially from Rapana who was the best player on the field tonight by far. Thanks for a very enjoyable game.
Watching sivo face plant there made me laugh harder than it should have.
What the fuck was that?
So shit to see a game ended like that
Seeing Milka failing to milk a penalty is a great finish
y'all have real hate boners for the eels huh?
What?! It was a great end!
What a fucking cracker of a game. Brown's offside makes up for any chance at a penalty try on Sivo. Amazing finish.
That's... That's not how it works tho
All hip no idea why any clowns are carrying on for a penalty try
tbh Raps is lucky he didn't connect because he was 100% going for a shoulder charge. But he didn't connect so yeah no penalty.
Lead with the shoulder to the head? PENALTY
Lead with the legs to the head? PENALTY
Lead with the hips to the head? we aight
His hip never touched Sivos head????
Was no where near his head. Rapana's hip makes contact with the ribs under Sivo's left arm.
He didn’t get hit in the head though
Eels fans are so cooked
😂 flair up coward
Not sure how, new to this sub reddit. Broncos fan though 🤷🏻♂️
The inconsistentency is what's the problem. Last week we saw the softest penalty try and now this.
Not saying we deserved to win but if the sharks vs raiders was a leading knee penalty try why was this not ?
What’s the difference between the 2
What raiders v sharks try are you talking about? I don’t recall any penalty try last week?
Hip is not knee
Suck my dickkkkkkkkkk
No knees what so ever.
Video ref cooked af. The no call on the offside was bs so Rapana should never have had to save the try there for the game, but equally I don't know what you can call that if not a shoulder charge with zero arm involvement in the contact.
Mate I know things are rough in Newcastle but the hip and shoulder are in different locations on the body
Lifting tackles are penalised regardless of whether they are completed, just that the player entered a dangerous position. He entered contact *clearly* aiming to make contact with a classic shoulder charge, elbow tucked. Fullbacks have been given 10 for this type of challenge both last year, and in 2019.
It is absurd that the video ref was as flippant as they were on both calls I mentioned, and specifically on the Rapana one it is another example of the NRL's complete inability to generate consistent rulings (both in line with the spirit of the 'player welfare' crackdown in addition to the previous sin bins referenced above).
The shoulder charge rule specifically mentions the shoulder. He clearly generates the force of impact through his hip.
It simply doesn't. Yes the word is in the name, but the interpretation the NRL has operated under since at least 2018 simply defines that a shoulder charge:
> "Is where a defender does not use, or attempt to use, his arms (including his hands) to tackle or otherwise take hold of the opposing player and the contact is forceful"
Again, his intention going into contact is clear (he is obviously attempted to use his shoulder) and the rules, as they are currently interpreted, explicitly regard the result (absence of use of arms) as a shoulder charge - regardless of whether his shoulder made contact or not.
I know things are made up in the world of wrestling, but the rules here are pretty straight forward.
From the 2020 interpretation. I can't find the 2021
> Shoulder Charge A shoulder charge is made when the tackling player uses his shoulder and/or upper arm without, at the same time, using his arms to tackle or otherwise take hold of the opposing player. The term “arms” obviously includes hands. The requirement to use “the arms” means that both arms must be used. Unless both arms are used, then providing the actions of the player are at least careless, any case involving forceful contact that has been primarily generated by the shoulder and/or upper arm of the tackling player, will be a shoulder charge. It will be considered misconduct, if any player effects a tackle in the manner as defined.
The force was clearly not generated by his shoulder? Instead of reading my post history for a zinger try reading the rules
I dunno in slow mo it looks a bit like he attempted a shoulder charge but missed it completely.
At real time it looks completely fine, like he was just running hard and got jammed between team mates, maybe ran out of time to raise arms.
The Eels fan in this thread 😂 bruv its karma
Penalty try for years. Knees no arms (coming from a dragons fan)
Next will be the Cannonball tackle.
Penalty try, can't have blokes running around kneeing ppl
Except no knees made contact with anything.
Suck it Eels.
flair up mate
let’s tuck that hate boner away and show a little humility and good sportsmanship
Man some of you eels fans are 🤡.
What, you honestly think that leading with the knee is okay? I'm genuinely asking.
Don’t be disingenuous.
Last I checked the rules stated you had to be wrapping the arms to be attempting a tackle. Rapana did not do that.
What’s the rule ? You got the laws on you mate ? Would be good to dig it out if so
Are you saying that should be a shoulder charge lmao
That's for a shoulder charge. He missed with his shoulder though. Does that make it a hip charge?
nah the rules arent that indepth, only rules that identify a shoulder charge etc. he can lead with the hip all day
So you're saying that's a shoulder charge? Cause that's cooked
Well it's not a genuine attempt at a tackle. He's led with his knee and shoulder and hasn't attempted to wrap his arms.
So if he pushed him out with his hands at full stretch it would be an illegal tackle too?
Last I checked you also had to be behind the kicker to be onside too.
And last I checked you're allowed to lock the ball up when making a tackle.
Was he attempting a tackle or running toward the donut stand behind row 22?
Video ref making up for Brown offside. 2 wrongs make a right?
He'd already made that call as a strip on Matti when he was just locking the ball up.
Offside call balanced by leading with knees
Happy fellow cake day bru
Credit where credit is due and the Raiders were relentless so gg
Stellar defence from them.
Don’t care about the two points, I’m just shitty Ricky Stuart gets to be happy.
Yeah 100% mate, we made a ton of errors and our plays were not great, definitely need Mitch back otherwise we're nothing
A reasonable Eels fan! How refreshing!
There are DOZENS of us
As a Parra fan, absolutely devo, but I can see how that would've been a cracker from a neutral perspective
Thats actually fine by me, led with the hip
Love him or hate him, you can’t deny Rapana puts his body on the line for his team 💚
He has been in great form for the last month.
Probably the only player in first grade who has consistently turned up this year…
What a cracker of a game
So damn proud of the boys!
Got gifted a try which should've been a offside penalty but you watch all the fans cry and bitch about being robbed.
In my mind it's a 100% penalty try, but you can't complain considering the offside call just before.
Raiders with plenty of heart.
Sivo too focused on running over people, needs to focus on the corner diving try.
He needed to dive for that. He would've gotten there easily
I love that he can run over people but he needs to learn when to hit hard and when to dive, it's the one thing Fergo can do better than anyone.
Two wrong calls makes a right call?
Well in this case, yes..
100% because lots of eels fans suck.
fucking embarrassing game this has turned into. aussie rules is the superior egg shaped game within australia.
Nah it’s not though
God, imagine watching AFL.
‘People like Coldplay and voting for the nazis. You can’t trust what’s popular’
Yeah that offside try should never have been awarded!
i dont give a fuck that we lost. it's that the game is literally left open to the interpretation of the refs each game. let's just get rid of the rules altogether and play make believe then.