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Round 19: Eels vs Raiders | Discussion Thread

Round 19: Eels vs Raiders | Discussion Thread

AL2X3N

That was a try in the last 6 seconds


IlliterateEmu

Damn the parra hate is real


soulllleater

Positives from tonight? We got beaten up physically like in the dragons and manly matches but we rolled on and gave it to them instead of getting rolled over. Didn’t get the win, but we hung in there


edwardo1960

I'm not a Parra fan but members of my family are but why are Parra the biggest winners in the comp - Gutha & Moses the standards whiners.


soulllleater

Look I’ll concede that Moses gets riled up and let’s it get the better of him but how is gutho whiny? As far as he went he called What he saw?


edwardo1960

Well after the final whistle, as the rest were hugging & shaking hands Gutho was still whinging at the ref. Not a good look for the occasional viewer like me.


venus_grrrl

Also glad Fergo did that great run and try assist on his game back. Dude has great skills but needs to be more consistent.


ParisMilanNYDubbo

Was brilliant.


venus_grrrl

GG Raiders, played so much better and like the team we know. No excuse, we just played shit. On to next week!


jhick107

It was replayed a thousand fucking times……Rapanas knees didn’t touch Sivo. It was all hip so no arms needed. Sivo’s a fucking Hulk and Rapana used his body legally to bump him into touch. Not high, no knees, and no shoulder…..perfectly legit. The blood on Sivos head came from the face plant and nothing else.


Tyr2016

I agree he didn’t lead with his knees just ended up in an awkward bump that looked like it might do more damage to Rapanas leg than to Sivo until Sivo head hit the ground. It was upper thigh that was the point of contact.


jhick107

Rapana could have easily had his knee destroyed or femur snapped in half…….brave play IMHO.


hysterical_username

I agree - and not sure what else could he have done to stop Sivo.


Ploppyet

I’ve seen a bit of chat on here about the Brown offside, but are we fairdinkum? He looked at it about six times, clearly offside and inside the 10. My only caveat - Have they changed the rule without saying anything ? Ie as long as you aren’t directly involved it’s playon. Seems counter intuitive to the black and white approach they try and take with most other rules (obstruction, etc). Thoughts?


MobRulesAll

Thought it was within 10 metres? But I do recall them letting something go very similar to this one after ruling they didn't affect the play.


Tyr2016

Pressuring the catcher is affecting the play so I think it should have been a penalty.


Ploppyet

You are right, I also feel like I can recall that this year too. I don’t like it to be honest, plenty of tries get disallowed when the obstructed player has zero chance of making the tackle, but you can understand why they don’t want to have to make that subjective call. Same should be applied to this, you could even argue brown offside actually distracts the Canberra catcher


hysterical_username

Of course, he does - he is running into the catching area. As a defender, you have to be aware of him, and possibly cover his side of the contest. That may have left Sivo's side more exposed. Not really a Raiders fan, but I thought that was a really poor decision.


Ploppyet

Neither am I, just struggling to grasp how you can get a black and white decision so incorrect after looking at it six times. It’s not a judgement call like perhaps the decision at the end of the game was where you could probably make an argument either way


deeracorneater

Knees legs hip whateva it's a game where you tackle with your arms that was like watching Billy Slater tackle


nick170100

My reasoning behind not giving the penalty at the end Because they missed the blatant brown offside so they had to even it up Still have no idea how they missed that brown offside


Dark_Vengence

The forward passes too.


Scottybt50

Didn’t miss it, just ignored it because it was against the Raiders. Same as the blatant pass off the ground the ref watched from 2 metres away.


CalmyeEast

Wish all games were close like this , over seeing the blowouts


Bucksin6FTD

Crazy how much the low penalty / set restart count affects the game. I was a defender of the rules at first but after this game it’s obvious


anotherpunter

Agreed was a great watch


PayEmOutEarly

Add 2021 to list of years we go out in straight sets


Churchofbabyyoda

Manly and the Roosters are slowly chasing your 4th Place position


PayEmOutEarly

Idk if Roosters have the durability to catch up, they've got a lot of injuries and I can see them just missing out. But I genuinely think Manly will crack into the top 4 at this rate


nick170100

Imagine if this call went against Ricky he’d be blowing up hahahah


Scottybt50

True, but which coach wouldn’t blow up?


NotAmericanDontCare

Well the one before did so...


Masdrian

Raiders are better without Wighton.


bennyflyer

Any footy team is better without wighton


Scottybt50

NSW would have lost by 12 more points without him.


bennyflyer

I'd argue they would have found many more ways to score without him killing opportunities and stifling creativity


ieatplants4aliving

If Sivo doesn’t turn and brace, he gets a knee straight to the head. No way that’s a legal tackle


mcCRACK-JACK

He doesn't though, I mean you could say that about heaps of tackles that are near-miss lethal


ieatplants4aliving

It’s not on the attacking player to have to avoid serious injury due to reckless action from a defending player. It’s why the lifting tackle was removed from the game, you can’t reward a defending player being recklessly dangerous


AchyBreakyShart

Textbook bump from Jordan "Dusty" Rapana. Find a new slant.


rusty9000

Jake Arthur needs to not play for at least 2 more years


SynapticSoup

Freddy thinks Rapana's effort was "fantastic". I tend to agree. Rapana did everything legally possible to barge him into touch.


Emperor_Mao

He did it at the 70 min mark too (but his body on the line for a tackle). Really liked that game. Both sides wanted it and were in the contest.


nick170100

There is no consistency in this league at all Late knees tackle last week in raiders vs sharks given but this is nothing Offsides are a lottery Forwards are a lottery 6 agains a lottery hahah You don’t know what to expect from every game


LunchMeat61

There has never been consistency and there never will be.


djlefevre

It was the hip not the shoulder or the knee. It's fucking allowed


Scottybt50

Contact was with Rapana’s thigh after the foot was planted, play on.


ShavedCarrot

If it's player welfare a hip is just as dangerous than a shoulder charge if not more


theycallmeHoju

He didn’t intentionally throw a hip at Sivo. We can’t penalise an incidental collision, may as well go watch a non contact sport


ShavedCarrot

You absolutely can penalise an incidental contact. Why do you think we penalise high tackles? The players aren't purposefully clotheslining the opposition.


theycallmeHoju

Penalising the incidental high contact - falling into tackles - it’s what’s causing all the drama these days


ShavedCarrot

Uhh no it's ruck infringements and 6 agains


theycallmeHoju

Well yes, but that’s a separate issue


djlefevre

I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing op saying it was with the knees..


cheesepythons

Bring back shoulder charge and treat it like high tackle


Voxityy

Man we’re the most hated fan base here now arent we


Quarterwit_85

No, people just hate excellence. Er… yeah. That.


Churchofbabyyoda

People do hate excellence. Why they’re lumping Parramatta in with that? Beats me.


Voxityy

r/woooosh


Quarterwit_85

Thatsthejoke.jpg


thaakidd

Tough days when the dargs are more likeable than us


Huntore

Can pls someone link me the vid of the raiders fan giving it to Brandy


Fisherman-Normal

Raiders easy mode never in doubt


MobRulesAll

Fuck every Eels fan rn. Should haven't been that close with the offside.


ljb23

Don’t carry on like this mate.


sturmspitz

Congrats on the win, well played by you lot. Disappointing that you feel the need to say fuck you to all Eels fans, but it is what it is.


MobRulesAll

Fair dice ladies and gents. I'll cop the downvotes for this one. Anything for a SINGLE victory 😂


PayEmOutEarly

I don't think there was anything wrong with Rapana's hit, Brown was offside for the last try anyway. Just guttered out attack was pretty crap, didn't expect that amazing defensive effort from the Raiders


thaakidd

Waqa blakes and not being able to draw and pass/pass at all. There isn't a more iconic duo so don't bother trying to name one


Bigballsu

Did this game show how big Moses is for you guys? Because I've never seen you run so many 1-up plays all season.


PayEmOutEarly

I always knew how big he is for us, he's hard done by alot of fans from different clubs but even more so our own fans. But I think tonight was a great example on how much Moses does for our team


Bigballsu

Anyone who isn't a tigers fan who slates Moses doesn't watch him enough imo. I've not seen that little second phase play from you guys in a long time!


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YaEverSeeAFrogKid

Eels were only in that position cus the bunker doesn't know what an offside looks like so all's well that ends well


icecolddragonfruit

billy slater try saving body check special there, you love to see it. # freebilly


IrrelephantAU

Not nearly enough studs to be a slater special.


icecolddragonfruit

I can feel the bitterness of this comment coming through the screen and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. freebilly


NotAmericanDontCare

What kind of pussy doesn't lead with the boots


Fizzelen

Billy “Boots First” Slater defending the player tackling with his legs


NotAmericanDontCare

Fuck off idiot. That's Billy "kick a cunt in the head" Slater to you.


CalmyeEast

Salty eels 💀


IlliterateEmu

idk man sounds kinda salty to me


ExtraMediumSandwich

I’d say the video ref saw that the other try was botched so was just repaying the debt to raiders. NBA refs do it all the time with make up calls


djlefevre

Subscribed


Trohsboy

100% think this was repaying the offside miss haha


anotherpunter

You beauty!


fender9

Should have been given the penalty 2 at the end of first half instead of the pointless 6 again with 10 seconds left. Two shockers from the bunker. Good game though, Moses please be back for this run to the finals or we will be battling to win half.


sealhaslupus

not sure why sivo didn’t reach out


yellowcardme

Second parra try was fucked because Brown was offside but that Rapana effort was knees first


jhick107

Yet his knees came into zero contact with any part of Sivos body…..


nick170100

They probably had to not give it to make up for the blatant brown offside they missed


T3VSS223

Didn’t make contact with his knees.


Rcb425

Hip made contact and nothing else so no way you can penalise it


Funztimes

His arm made contact as well and it was cocked. Shoulder charge all day. But shit offside cal the try before so evens out. But bunker is cooked


Rcb425

But your arms allowed to make contact aslong as its not the head. Bunker are about as useful as the touchies sometimes


Funztimes

Your arm isn’t allowed to make contact anywhere if no effort is made to wrap. It was a hip and shoulder charge haha. I mean I don’t care but if that happens in general play it’s a penalty.


KingHit123

What a truly great game that was Canberra can really hold their heads up high after that. Massive effort especially from Rapana who was the best player on the field tonight by far. Thanks for a very enjoyable game.


the_mooseman

Watching sivo face plant there made me laugh harder than it should have.


soulllleater

What the fuck was that?


Quarterwit_85

Rugba leeg


quitjivinmeturkey

So shit to see a game ended like that


NotAmericanDontCare

Seeing Milka failing to milk a penalty is a great finish


IlliterateEmu

y'all have real hate boners for the eels huh?


Tipsy_McStaggah

What?! It was a great end!


an3vilmonk3y

What a fucking cracker of a game. Brown's offside makes up for any chance at a penalty try on Sivo. Amazing finish.


ShavedCarrot

That's... That's not how it works tho


Housefosale

All hip no idea why any clowns are carrying on for a penalty try


an3vilmonk3y

tbh Raps is lucky he didn't connect because he was 100% going for a shoulder charge. But he didn't connect so yeah no penalty.


rowandaw

Lead with the shoulder to the head? PENALTY Lead with the legs to the head? PENALTY Lead with the hips to the head? we aight ??? Profit


jhick107

His hip never touched Sivos head????


cannonadeau

Was no where near his head. Rapana's hip makes contact with the ribs under Sivo's left arm.


chowiehowie

He didn’t get hit in the head though


chowiehowie

Eels fans are so cooked


soulllleater

😂 flair up coward


chowiehowie

Not sure how, new to this sub reddit. Broncos fan though 🤷🏻‍♂️


ShavedCarrot

The inconsistentency is what's the problem. Last week we saw the softest penalty try and now this.


nick170100

Not saying we deserved to win but if the sharks vs raiders was a leading knee penalty try why was this not ? What’s the difference between the 2


CanRaider03

What raiders v sharks try are you talking about? I don’t recall any penalty try last week?


spacemarine43

Hip is not knee


MobRulesAll

Suck my dickkkkkkkkkk


Bigballsu

Lol knees?


jhick107

No knees what so ever.


AdmiralCrackbar11

Video ref cooked af. The no call on the offside was bs so Rapana should never have had to save the try there for the game, but equally I don't know what you can call that if not a shoulder charge with zero arm involvement in the contact.


Rodney_u_plonker

Mate I know things are rough in Newcastle but the hip and shoulder are in different locations on the body


AdmiralCrackbar11

Lifting tackles are penalised regardless of whether they are completed, just that the player entered a dangerous position. He entered contact *clearly* aiming to make contact with a classic shoulder charge, elbow tucked. Fullbacks have been given 10 for this type of challenge both last year, and in 2019. It is absurd that the video ref was as flippant as they were on both calls I mentioned, and specifically on the Rapana one it is another example of the NRL's complete inability to generate consistent rulings (both in line with the spirit of the 'player welfare' crackdown in addition to the previous sin bins referenced above).


Rodney_u_plonker

The shoulder charge rule specifically mentions the shoulder. He clearly generates the force of impact through his hip.


AdmiralCrackbar11

It simply doesn't. Yes the word is in the name, but the interpretation the NRL has operated under since at least 2018 simply defines that a shoulder charge: > "Is where a defender does not use, or attempt to use, his arms (including his hands) to tackle or otherwise take hold of the opposing player and the contact is forceful" Again, his intention going into contact is clear (he is obviously attempted to use his shoulder) and the rules, as they are currently interpreted, explicitly regard the result (absence of use of arms) as a shoulder charge - regardless of whether his shoulder made contact or not. I know things are made up in the world of wrestling, but the rules here are pretty straight forward.


Rodney_u_plonker

From the 2020 interpretation. I can't find the 2021 > Shoulder Charge A shoulder charge is made when the tackling player uses his shoulder and/or upper arm without, at the same time, using his arms to tackle or otherwise take hold of the opposing player. The term “arms” obviously includes hands. The requirement to use “the arms” means that both arms must be used. Unless both arms are used, then providing the actions of the player are at least careless, any case involving forceful contact that has been primarily generated by the shoulder and/or upper arm of the tackling player, will be a shoulder charge. It will be considered misconduct, if any player effects a tackle in the manner as defined. The force was clearly not generated by his shoulder? Instead of reading my post history for a zinger try reading the rules


Emperor_Mao

I dunno in slow mo it looks a bit like he attempted a shoulder charge but missed it completely. At real time it looks completely fine, like he was just running hard and got jammed between team mates, maybe ran out of time to raise arms.


Nohnson

The Eels fan in this thread 😂 bruv its karma


ryukuimbetween

Penalty try for years. Knees no arms (coming from a dragons fan)


Greenmachine1986

incorrect


XIRisingIX

Next will be the Cannonball tackle.


deeracorneater

Penalty try, can't have blokes running around kneeing ppl


Scottybt50

Except no knees made contact with anything.


T3VSS223

Suck it Eels.


IlliterateEmu

flair up mate


T3VSS223

I am??


IlliterateEmu

let’s tuck that hate boner away and show a little humility and good sportsmanship


Citizen-5936

Man some of you eels fans are 🤡.


sturmspitz

What, you honestly think that leading with the knee is okay? I'm genuinely asking.


Citizen-5936

Don’t be disingenuous.


sturmspitz

I'm not.


SuperEel22

Last I checked the rules stated you had to be wrapping the arms to be attempting a tackle. Rapana did not do that.


Ploppyet

What’s the rule ? You got the laws on you mate ? Would be good to dig it out if so


Rodney_u_plonker

Are you saying that should be a shoulder charge lmao


reeepy

That's for a shoulder charge. He missed with his shoulder though. Does that make it a hip charge?


dailydailydaily

nah the rules arent that indepth, only rules that identify a shoulder charge etc. he can lead with the hip all day


spacemarine43

So you're saying that's a shoulder charge? Cause that's cooked


SuperEel22

Well it's not a genuine attempt at a tackle. He's led with his knee and shoulder and hasn't attempted to wrap his arms.


Scottybt50

So if he pushed him out with his hands at full stretch it would be an illegal tackle too?


misskarne

Last I checked you also had to be behind the kicker to be onside too.


SuperEel22

And last I checked you're allowed to lock the ball up when making a tackle.


randomchars

Was he attempting a tackle or running toward the donut stand behind row 22?


wherezthebeef

Video ref making up for Brown offside. 2 wrongs make a right?


SuperEel22

He'd already made that call as a strip on Matti when he was just locking the ball up.


Greenmachine1986

rofl


TheFarks4

Offside call balanced by leading with knees


chorgarbageman

Happy fellow cake day bru


chorgarbageman

Credit where credit is due and the Raiders were relentless so gg


Quarterwit_85

Stellar defence from them. Don’t care about the two points, I’m just shitty Ricky Stuart gets to be happy.


chorgarbageman

Yeah 100% mate, we made a ton of errors and our plays were not great, definitely need Mitch back otherwise we're nothing


T3VSS223

A reasonable Eels fan! How refreshing!


Quarterwit_85

There are DOZENS of us


chorgarbageman

As a Parra fan, absolutely devo, but I can see how that would've been a cracker from a neutral perspective


sunburn95

Thats actually fine by me, led with the hip


therealeddiek

Love him or hate him, you can’t deny Rapana puts his body on the line for his team 💚


Scottybt50

He has been in great form for the last month.


therealeddiek

Probably the only player in first grade who has consistently turned up this year…


toomuchsoup

What a cracker of a game


misskarne

So damn proud of the boys!


jordieATR

Got gifted a try which should've been a offside penalty but you watch all the fans cry and bitch about being robbed.


Thompson26

In my mind it's a 100% penalty try, but you can't complain considering the offside call just before. Raiders with plenty of heart. Sivo too focused on running over people, needs to focus on the corner diving try.


jordieATR

Definitely mate. He needed to dive for that. He would've gotten there easily


Thompson26

I love that he can run over people but he needs to learn when to hit hard and when to dive, it's the one thing Fergo can do better than anyone.


MatthewMollison

Two wrong calls makes a right call?


jordieATR

Well in this case, yes..


T3VSS223

100% because lots of eels fans suck.


SlothSorcerer

fucking embarrassing game this has turned into. aussie rules is the superior egg shaped game within australia.


Quarterwit_85

Nah it’s not though


Thompson26

God, imagine watching AFL.


Quarterwit_85

‘People like Coldplay and voting for the nazis. You can’t trust what’s popular’


T3VSS223

Yeah that offside try should never have been awarded!


SlothSorcerer

i dont give a fuck that we lost. it's that the game is literally left open to the interpretation of the refs each game. let's just get rid of the rules altogether and play make believe then.